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Just do stuff. Right. Or if you try to do it and you think you're going to fail, that's okay, too. But honestly, if you do fail, that's okay. Have fun with it. Like this is a part of your life That is a perfect time to make mistakes. Be confident in your abilities. There's somebody out there who wants you.

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I'm thinking in a job. I mean, do you want to love life? Okay, that too. But like, you are good as you are right now. And because of that, you know, go try stuff. You've got an inkling of something you might want to do. Go ahead and do it and put the fear somewhere else.

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Welcome to Media The Mix, The only podcast produced and hosted by the School of Communication at �鶹�ƽ��. Join us as we create a safe space to explore topics and communication at the intersection of social justice.

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Tech innovation.

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And pop culture. Welcome back to meeting the mics. I'm your host, Grace Ibrahim. And today we have a very special guest, someone who's been making big moves here at �鶹�ƽ�� School of Communication. She's our fearless leader, a dedicated educator and a champion for our students. So welcome, Dean Marnell. Niles, go in.

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Speaker 1

Thank you for having me. I'm honored to have been invited.

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Speaker 2

Absolutely. And today is a very special episode because our production team behind the cameras are our students. Today, we're going to go a little bit beyond the title and get to know you on a different level. Okay? Okay. So let's get started. All right, I'm ready. So the podcast. All right. So we just want to get a little start to you and kind of how you got your intro into the world of academia communications.

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Speaker 2

Did you have like a distinct memory that kind of launched you into this space?

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Speaker 1

I there's some small memories I have when I was a kid of two brothers who are really annoying. I'm the only girl, middle child and I found them to be particularly annoying probably every day. So I just retreat to my room and read, and a lot of the things that I did included like recreating teaching environment. So I was teaching, I was putting together lesson plans.

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Speaker 1

It's just, you know, that that memory in my in my brain, that was like a place of peace for me in addition to other things, right? Like, you know, I would do carpentry with my dad or or paint or draw or, you know, I created a news letter. But all those things were often me in moments where I was teaching.

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Speaker 1

Yeah. I did not directly think I was going to be an educator. A lot of folks in my family are educators, and so I shied away from it. But I was in moments where I needed a little, little bit of reprieve. But I found myself doing some things that were related to education. But but even still, I want to be an artist.

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Speaker 1

Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to be an artist.

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Speaker 2

Was there like, a specific art that you were drawn to?

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Speaker 1

I love to paint. Even now, I don't have much time. I just write, you know, I love to paint. And so, you know, I did some, like, more College of Art when I was in high school. My art teacher was like, You should go to New York. And I don't know if most of our listeners know. You know, my parents are not from the United States of America.

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Speaker 1

They are from another country. And they were like, No, yeah, this is that's cute, but this is.

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Not.

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Speaker 1

Right. This is not what you're going to be doing here. We came to this country for you to be some artist in New York. So they never actually gave me all the compliments that the teachers they gave me. And so I ended up wanting to do graphic design in undergrad, but I went to a small college, and graphic design was in the communication department.

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Speaker 1

And and so it kind of went from there. I took a class in, I think, intercultural communication, then another one and like public speaking. And then I was I was like, oh, you know, graphic design. Let's move on from that and think about comp theory.

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Speaker 2

That's awesome.

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Speaker 1

And and that kind of paved the way.

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Speaker 2

That's very cool. And then just in terms of now you're at SC, what is there anything that drew you to the school communications, anything that you feel that you were like, I really want to be here?

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Speaker 1

Yes. Yes. So it's interesting because before I was here, I was at a another university in Arlington, Virginia. So not too far. Yeah. Marymount Universe. And I was the dean of the College of Sciences and Humanities, so I had communication, but I also had biomedical engineering and mechanical engineering. And we started those programs and we were starting social work in the sciences and humanities and so many programs.

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Speaker 1

It was really, really quite wonderful. The faculty there and the students were phenomenal and then I saw the job opening at ASU for communication. I was like, You know, I have not been with only com scholars for a little while now. I am at the time I was, I think, first vice president of the National Communication Association and then president last year.

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Speaker 1

Now I'm past president and that's when I kind of got my comm through. And then I saw the job and I was like, you know, let me just see. And then I went on the interview and everybody was wonderful. Everyone told the same story about SLC from the president at the time to the provost, to the students, the faculty, even the alarms about how wonderful SLC is and has always been.

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Speaker 1

I was like, All right, that's great, I'll do it. Yeah. Yeah. I felt really well. Have you. Thank you.

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Speaker 2

Thank you. And then just in terms of that, it's been a few months now settled into the role. What excites you about it? And then also, is there anything you're looking forward to doing?

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Speaker 1

Yes. So I'll say I got my master's in piece in organizational and small group communication. Yes. And so my brain works in terms of like making sense of things.

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Speaker 2

Yes.

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Speaker 1

A lot of different things that, you know, for many people, including my husband, he's like, you're doing too much. Like, I can't this is this is too much. But the stuff that I do every day in this role fits with how my brain works. Yeah. So making sense of what the faculty are doing with their scholarship is the research that they're doing, the phenomenal students.

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Speaker 1

That's one of the real thrills, like going to classes and talking to them and seeing them in the hallway, you know, say what you're doing and yeah, did you get that project on? And while it's a lot of problem solving, it really fits with how I make sense of the world. And, and so coming in the office is fun.

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Speaker 1

Now when I get home, I am my brain is exhausted, so everybody needs to act right at that point. But coming here, it's like there's not a day where I feel as if I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be doing, even when there are some difficult decisions that need to be made, even when they're happy moments, it's all like, All right, yeah, yeah, that's great.

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Speaker 2

That's a parent, too. So no, thank you. We appreciate that. And then I'm going to throw in one, two, one fun question here. In terms of like SC, do you have like a dream major? You would add to SC or a dream class?

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Speaker 1

So I am a nerd. I just say that like I told you that I studied organizational and small group communication and my minor was math. Like, I have loved math from the time I was a kid. My brother and I, my younger brother and I have like a competition of like who was going to do better. On the AP calculus.

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And I won. He's a math teacher right now. And I just want the world to know that I beat him and he's a year younger than me. So. So the classes that I think of, Yeah, are really a little nerdy, like because I can make sense of the world through, like, art. Yeah. And math and communication. It would be something related to like, you know, the art of math, which would not fit in SLC at all.

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Speaker 1

Right. I mean, I guess I could make it fit, but that would be like no one would take, but I would just put together like all of my loves, like, you know, math. So, you know, give me a budget. I got. Yeah. Art, you know, painting and then something with com so if I could find a good way to put that together that would be great.

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Speaker 1

There would be no waitlist. So because no one would still be taking it.

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Speaker 2

You know, in terms of production, though, you'd be surprised how many numbers come up like it really is like allocating budgets and understanding that like we might run out of money and we ought to give you do that to prioritize.

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Speaker 1

And that decision.

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Is a real thing. I was a math major when I first came to you. You know, I guess I didn't have very long. Oh, it didn't last very long. But I love math. I it's it's that mean girls quote. It's the same in every country. I think it's very poetic right Because to.

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Speaker 1

Me, I mean, it's about sense making, right? So with math, that's what it's about. Like making sense of the numbers with art, it's also for me, like visually making sense of it. And I just never had to, like, separate the two. It was always like, All right, well, I'm really good at math. And, you know, I would have been a math major, but I want to graduate early.

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Speaker 1

And, you know, I really love art. And so it was always like even at home, I okay. To love all those things.

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Speaker 2

Yeah, that's great. Actually, for me, I do remember it was statistics that made me Oh, it was. I put that to the. Oh yeah, it was. It was a tough one. It's a tough guy. I love you. Loves this.

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Speaker 1

So I did my first class was in grad school.

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Speaker 2

Oh, wow.

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Speaker 1

Okay. And I was. Yes, I really enjoyed.

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Speaker 2

It, love. That's okay. So we're learning new things about you. I love that. So there is. And of course, now we're going to kind of go into the realistic aspect of that. But as the new dean, do you have any initiatives that you plan to introduce at �鶹�ƽ�� to kind of support the idea of diversity inclusion? I know we're we're this year we are doing a lot of campaigns related to ICE.

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Speaker 2

Is there anything there?

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Speaker 1

Yes. So, you know, it's really interesting. One of the things that drew me to �鶹�ƽ�� was how the student body is represented there from so many different countries. They have so many different interests and how the faculty support them. And one of the struggles that we're having right now in terms of some of our community programs that we work with is that they are struggling as well financially.

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And so some of our community partners, you know, are like, Yeah, we wish we could, but we don't have the the budget to be able to sustain like opportunities for our students. One of my dreams is to really build that back up and that would be more external facing a less internal. The faculty have like when I say brilliant staff, brilliant ideas of of what we can do to bring in more students and bring in more revenue when they're especially good at having the students network and have connections.

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But one thing that we are starting to struggle with is that these networks are starting to dry up, especially in the D.C. area. You know, real estate is up. We don't have as many students going to college nowadays is what they're telling us. And then how people view communication, the value of it for journalism, for film, you know, the industry is changing.

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And so as it affects our community partners, it's going to affect the student experience. So if I could just like, create this wonderful, exciting initiative, it'll be something where we have this direct connection with our community partners because that is where our students learn how to be not just experts, but experts in the field, right? Like yesterday, the Anacostia Film Festival, we had a showing of one of the films on campus, and it was wonderful.

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It was run the Hope Work was what? The documentary. I'm sure I have their backwards. It might be a whole run work. You could look it up. Yeah. And, and it was just amazing how some of our SLC film and media art students are working with these community groups and that is how you learn how to care for other people.

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Speaker 1

That is not just where you learn how to put the stuff that you've learned on campus in the community, but it's also how you learn how to be a better person. Yeah, So when you're out here in ten and 20 years and your managers like that's how you learn how to treat people. Yeah, it's how you learn, you know, how to deal with somebody who comes in to work late.

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Speaker 1

It's how you learn, how you know, somebody has a bad attitude. And that doesn't always mean you have to get it. Attitude back is how you learn how to have compassion and why you learn that here at a you, it's when you go out into the community and when you work with various groups that you learn how to be a real leader.

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Speaker 1

Yeah. And also how you learn in a sense how to be led because it doesn't mean that you go out there in a, you know, a way where you're authoritarian and you're like, Yeah, I know how to run this. I've got this new education, right? The people know more than we do often, and we've got to learn from other folks in our community as well.

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Speaker 1

And so that would be my dream if we could really solidify partnerships, if they weren't going away as much, if they could get the financial backing. And what else I will say of the students are not short of opportunities for even with some of that decreasing the jobs that they're getting, the internships they're getting, the work that they're doing in our community groups is just something that I am in awe of, frankly.

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Speaker 2

That sometimes they create their own opportunities. Yeah, they do. Really, really impressive. Yeah.

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Speaker 1

They'll stop me in the hallway like, Hey, I did this. I'm sure you saw my emails to me. I will watch it online.

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Speaker 2

That's awesome. That's awesome. And you did say something that I kind of want to touch on of, you know, we're being told that not many kids are going to college nowadays. And I know with just technology continuing to advance in AI and all this stuff, there is this sense of, well, I can just teach myself. But do you have any insight onto kind of the importance of formal education and why that could, you know, being in the classroom, interacting with other peers and students?

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Speaker 2

What's the importance of that?

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Speaker 1

Yes, you know, I, I don't want to sound like, oh, I've been in academia for a lot. I mean, I have. Right. But there's also something we can learn from students saying, Hey, I can learn about this online and how we offer courses and what we're offering. But college is also about relationships. It's about the networking, it's about challenging yourself.

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Speaker 1

So I'll say one thing, like with social media, which is wonderful, but it shows you what you want to show, right? And I'll give you an example. You know, I'm from Philadelphia, so, you know, by way of that that I love the Eagles. Right? And so when I am scrolling through what's coming up, it's all equals clips, Super Bowl highlights, going to see Champions highlights.

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Speaker 1

I'm going to click on all of them. I want to like them. Yeah. What I'm not seeing is anything about the Chiefs, right? Right. I'm not seeing anything about the commanders. I'm not seeing anything about the Rams. I'm saying stuff about Philly, Right. And I'm liking it. Yeah, I'm happy. Yeah. But I'm also not challenging myself. I would have to be proactive and go to, like, the Kansas City Chiefs social media pages for me to go there and to challenge myself.

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Speaker 1

Right. So in the age where we get to be surrounded by things that will make us comfortable, the college environment teaches us how to be around things that make us uncomfortable right? How to understand different perspectives, how to humanize people, how to not be angry when you know, like you are social me. You can get angry really quickly, right?

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Speaker 1

You know, and you see the worst of people. Yeah, but that's not what real life is like. It teaches you how to disagree, right? Being in college, it teaches you how to advocate for yourself. If you get a grade you don't love, but also how to get someone to, you know, really mentor you in a way that is beyond something you can get online.

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Speaker 1

And so I'll say the experiences of a college setting cannot be replicated by taking like a class when you're by yourself online. And the other thing I'll say is sometimes many times you've got skills and talents that sometimes other people see. A we don't. And online you're doing, you know, you're watching a YouTube video, which is wonderful, right?

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Speaker 1

Yeah. I'm trying to figure out what to do with this toilet. I can be a, you know, any kind of person who, who, who, you know, studies how to fix toilets, I think. Right. And the say at the same time, if I'm saying, hey, you know, Mardell, you've got this skill, you should really hone in on this. That's not something that I would necessarily know myself unless someone told me.

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Speaker 1

MARNELL You'd be a great artist, right? You're really good at math. If it was just me, I'd be online looking at like, you know, carpentry, right? Or out of the toilets or whatever. And I'd be good at it. Yeah, but there's some skills that other people might see and can pour into. You that you need to be in a college environment for that to happen.

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Speaker 2

You can also learn from.

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Speaker 1

You can also learn from it. Yeah. And also there's a whole aspect of like, you know, living in a dorm, That's how you learn how to do somebody else's hair.

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Speaker 2

That's yeah.

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Speaker 1

You know. Yeah. And like, I remember, you know, dyeing my roommate's hair. How can you have it? A chair is at home, you know, messing up her hair. And I tried to get her back. Was there some disasters that happen in college that you need to get that experience and then fail? Yeah. It's not until you try to cut one of your friends hair.

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Speaker 1

You just. Yeah, you had to do a hat for a little while and what? But now I know that that's not a skill that you, that I.

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Speaker 2

Yeah, Yeah. We were talking about the other day I had my college roommate pierced both my ears, so it's like. Yes, yes. I was the second one. It was the, the one. It was okay. To her credit, she did great.

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Speaker 1

It was.

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Speaker 2

Fine. Suddenly it's you know, it's it is true. It's things like that, though, like really to build character.

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Speaker 1

A little bit builds character and that's how you learn how to fail. Yeah. Like at home, when I'm doing stuff, I'm doing stuff that I feel comfortable with.

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Speaker 2

Yes.

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Speaker 1

And in college you have to fail. You have to succeed at things you never thought you.

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Speaker 2

Would get out of your home, get out.

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Speaker 1

Of your comfort zone and then just, you know, have a little.

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Speaker 2

Fun. Yeah, that's so true. And have a little another fun follow up question to this. All right. If you could go back and give your college self a piece of advice, what would that be?

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Speaker 1

Well, you know, you know, folks have like recurring nightmare. Yeah. Yes. I'll tell you, this is why I'm in there. My reoccurring nightmares that I failed a math class.

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Speaker 2

Oh, no, no.

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Speaker 1

You go back. I'm like, Oh, my gosh. So anyway, my my college self, I might say, go ahead and do that, major. Like, don't graduate early. Maybe just go ahead and major in math. That should be fun to have a fun a fun piece of advice for me. But it's really like, you know, why not be a double major?

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Speaker 1

You don't need to graduate that early. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I told you, I'm a nerd. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2

No, it's fine. It's fine. That's great. And then obviously, just on the the idea of what we're doing today, this experiential learning opportunity. Yes. What's your advice for associates, students? On that note, just how to get involved? Is there anything just as Dean, that you kind of want to get the message out there about?

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Speaker 1

You know, one of the things, as I mentioned, I have two brothers, right? And so one of the things having two brothers and parents from another country, I just didn't have fear as a that was not my first emotion. So my suggestion is to try new things and just like do it like, I remember when I was like, you know what?

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Speaker 1

I will learn how to ride a motorcycle, right? And then I got my motorcycle license. Did you really? I did. I absolutely. Don't ask me how to if I know how to do it now, but it was like, just go ahead and do it. You know, there's another time where there's this job opening at the FBI for Special Agent.

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Speaker 1

And that's why I did all the, you know, polygraph, all the tests. I got it. I did. I was like, should I be a special agent? Anyway, the point is, just do stuff. Yeah, right. Yeah. If you expect to do it or if you try to do it and you think you're going to fail, yeah, that's okay too.

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Speaker 1

And honestly, if you do fail, that's okay. Have fun with it. Like, this is a part of your life that is a perfect time to make mistakes. Yeah, right. You, you know, you could try it, you could fail, can not work out. Try something else that doesn't work out. Try something else. Be confident in your abilities. There's somebody out there who wants you.

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Speaker 1

I'm thinking in a job, but, I mean, if you want the love life, then that too. Yeah, but like, you are good as you are right now. And because of that, you know, go try stuff. If you got an inkling of something you might want to do, go ahead and do it and put the fear somewhere else.

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Speaker 2

Yeah.

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Speaker 1

Do it scared and like, Yeah. And then if you fail, like, that's just a wonderful opportunity for you to keep trying, you know, not to put football lingo, but look at, you know, Jalen hurts. We played the Chiefs a couple of years.

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Speaker 2

I was going to ask you about the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1

Yeah. Yeah. He you know, he didn't win and he came back and did it again. Or look at any sports analogy, any life analogy. You can see like, you know, do a scared do it. Nervous. Yeah. Go out in the community, make some big changes. Yeah. And, and learn from it. That's the whole point of this life.

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Speaker 2

That's just to learn that and to.

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Speaker 1

Become better humans. I didn't do it. If you do it when you're comfortable, right?

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Speaker 2

I didn't realize that until I was a little bit older. Kind of teach giving back and teaching. Yes, I realize I teach more from my failures than I do my success because there's so much more to teach you there than there is. But it's like everything goes great and it's all right.

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Speaker 1

If everything was great and we would be horrible humans.

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Speaker 2

Yes. Yeah, that's true. That's true.

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Speaker 1

That's probably the worst. If life was perfect, I don't even know if I would be here right now. I'd be somewhere in Fiji. I'm too good for this. Right? But that's what the values are. Teaches you how to humanize people, how to care for people.

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Speaker 2

Yes. And to your point about being in the classroom, being surrounded by your peers, I feel like it kind of teaches you the idea of just never be the smartest one in the room, kind of like, you know, there's a bunch of minds put them together. We said that today. We were like, Let's use all of our minds and put them together and, you know, rip off each other.

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Speaker 2

And it's yeah.

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Speaker 1

And honestly, that's what being a dean is. It's leading, but it's not commanding people based on, you know, like my brilliance. I don't know everything, right, Mike? The faculty know, the staff know the students, know society, the trends that are going on. It's my job to be aware of it and to make sense of it and to lead it.

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Speaker 1

But I'm not the smartest one in the room.

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Speaker 2

I love that. That's great advice. I want to do some fun questions. Okay.

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Speaker 1

I'm trying not to be a nerd. All right. Let's go.

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Speaker 2

First of all, congratulations on the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1

Thank you very much. You know, I worked really hard to get us there. And so I am grateful to all of the people who supported me.

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Speaker 2

Do do you do anything fun for you? Have a little Super Bowl party, You know, So.

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Speaker 1

You know, my family, as I mentioned, born in Philly, but my parents are from another country, Barbados and Jamaica. But I watch it at home. Yeah. Because I need I need to watch it in peace.

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Speaker 2

I figure that's.

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Speaker 1

Like I don't need disruptions. I don't need you, you know? So my family, my husband and my kids were there. And yeah, I need some silence. And, you know, on the family check.

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Speaker 2

Yes, we had a.

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Speaker 1

Yes, yes, yes. I really had a good time that day. I wore a jersey the next day.

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Speaker 2

So I guess. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1

With I had a blazer over it so I did look professional and yeah.

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Speaker 2

I feel like after the day after Super Bowl, it's should be a pass, you know.

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Speaker 1

Educate. I thought about where. Yeah. There's the every day. Yeah. And then I thought that might be a little overkill that.

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Speaker 2

We would have give it to you. It's okay. We have a fun question here, but if you could trade places with any Eagles player for a day, who would that be?

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Speaker 1

Is it during football season or is this during like, you know, now that I have the money and I'm going on vacation?

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Speaker 2

Oh, that's a good ques contract.

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Speaker 1

Do I want or whose physical play do I want to engage in?

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Speaker 2

Both.

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Speaker 1

Okay, well, I would probably say Jalen hurts. Okay? It was not football season because, you know, he has a big contract and so I would be on vacation.

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Speaker 2

I love right now I'm not here doing this.

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Speaker 1

Well, you know, I just I would zoom in. I would zoom in. But if I were a player, maybe Micah back then, big ticket because he's huge and he has a one year contract and he just you know, he got released from the Jets recently and just his picture of him and his son enjoying the Super Bowl was great.

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Speaker 1

Plus, he's just big, right? And I was just like he knocked people down. And that seems like that would be fun.

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Speaker 2

That's awesome.

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Speaker 1

People down.

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Speaker 2

Yeah. Yeah. Just like.

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Speaker 1

Yes, not in McKinley, right? So I just want to put that out there. This would be on a football field.

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Speaker 2

This is strictly strictly football. Oh, that's awesome. So your your love for sneakers? Oh, yes. That's a thing I feel like everyone should know about.

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Speaker 1

I do love sneakers. Yes.

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00;24;08;24 - 00;24;14;15

Speaker 2

How do you get started? Was it just like you just be like this comfortable, but also fashion forward. And I want to keep going.

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00;24;14;25 - 00;24;34;10

Speaker 1

A little bit. Yeah, because I remember going sneaker shopping with my dad. So in middle school and high school, I love sneakers. And then I think maybe I took a break or maybe I did it. I remember in college too, I wear a lot of different sneakers. And then there was a point where I was like, You know, I just want to wear sneakers.

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Speaker 1

And when I was a professor, you know, you can dress down. And once I became a dean was like, Oh, wait, I've got to like, dress up. So I took it for a little bit and then I realized, okay, I can actually wear some Jordan's with this suit. Yeah. So I was starting to do that. But one thing I will say that most people don't know is that I had two hip replacements.

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Speaker 1

Yeah. So 20, 20, I had a hip replacement, and in 2022 I had the other ones. So I also could really use that as a great excuse. Yeah. To say, Oh man, I'm unable to wear these high heels, I've got to get another pair, you know, a dunks or something like that, just because, you know it's what's my accommodation.

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Speaker 2

Was in say what's a fun fact about you that most people don't know. I do.

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Speaker 1

I know I've got hear.

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Speaker 2

That but it's a fact.

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Speaker 1

When I'm going through like security they they are very judgy. Yeah okay because I do remember going through one time and I heard the person ask elderly woman in front of me like, do you have any joint replacements? And this is at the airport. And she was like, No, I'm okay. And then she saw me. She's like, Come on through.

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00;25;38;22 - 00;25;46;08

Speaker 1

I was like, You have any questions you might want to ask me? She's like, No, you're too young for that. And I was like, Go.

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Speaker 2

I was like.

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Speaker 1

Actually, you should probably ask. And then she kicked me out the line. I had to go. So she went through another line.

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Speaker 2

No TSA stuff.

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Speaker 1

Just I just go, TSA, get it together. That's really that's a, you know, fun fact. Yeah. Though if you know, if I've got a cane or a walker, like after the surgery, people are super nice. Oh, yeah. So that was that was.

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Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I guess back to the sneakers. Yeah. If you could only wear one pair of sneakers. Yeah. Which ones would they be?

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Speaker 1

Uh, I so Jordan ones are most comfortable, okay. And I would probably. I would probably wear my mochas. Yeah. Yes. But then those are also, like, one of my favorite, so I try not to wear them all the time.

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Speaker 2

Right, right, right.

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Speaker 1

But I keep them for. Yeah, but if I had to wear one every day. Yeah. They're comfortable.

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Speaker 2

That's like the problem with new sneakers. I'm always like, I just want to look at them. But then.

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00;26;41;09 - 00;26;42;10

Speaker 1

Yes, you have to wear.

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Speaker 2

Them.

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Speaker 1

And then take a break and forget about them. Yes. And then, you know, say, Oh, wait.

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Speaker 2

I have this closet.

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Speaker 1

Yes, absolutely.

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00;26;49;29 - 00;26;55;00

Speaker 2

Love that. And then what's the last TV show you binge watched?

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00;26;55;19 - 00;26;58;18

Speaker 1

This is does not include football or does it?

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00;26;59;04 - 00;27;01;18

Speaker 2

I mean, it could be good.

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Speaker 1

Because the last time I watched the Super Bowl was, I think Monday.

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Speaker 2

Wow. Okay.

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Speaker 1

And the last time I watched Highlight.

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Speaker 2

Yeah.

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Speaker 1

Was last night. Oh, wow. You had to do different highlights, right? You got to do, you know, Eagles chiefs and then you got to if you want to go back, you could do Eagles commanders and go back a little bit more and Eagles rams. Yeah, right. And so it depends what I'm feeling because the other thing I'll say, I've got three kids, so they're young, they're 11, nine and seven.

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00;27;32;18 - 00;27;41;15

Speaker 1

So when I'm watching stuff, I tend to have to watch it and then like pause, Yeah. So I need to do something with, you know, it's low stakes. Yes. Something that I know.

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Speaker 2

Yes.

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Speaker 1

The ending to something like five minute increments, because even after they're in bed, are they really asleep? No, they're not. But but I'll say that some of the shows that I did, I recently finished watching, um, Harlem. I'm doing The Recruit.

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Speaker 2

I love the recruit.

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00;28;02;22 - 00;28;07;04

Speaker 1

And you did? Okay. So good. I think I and then my agent.

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Speaker 2

And I just.

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00;28;08;26 - 00;28;21;05

Speaker 1

Oh, the problem is I'm like, wait a minute, didn't this just happen? That happens. Who cares? Just completely confused. This is. I needed a week in between. Yes. Because right now I'm doing the night shift and I'm like, Wait, I thought he was dating the person in Korea.

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00;28;21;05 - 00;28;22;05

Speaker 2

I feel like I'm I'm like.

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00;28;22;05 - 00;28;23;05

Speaker 1

Wait, no, that's a different.

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00;28;23;05 - 00;28;29;13

Speaker 2

Show. I know they are kind of a parallel storylines. So it's almost like, okay, yes, yes. That didn't happen in the show.

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00;28;29;13 - 00;28;40;18

Speaker 1

It happened in the other. Right. Right. And because you're like, for me, low stakes like I mean, I've been in one episode of Night Asia for like three days. Yeah, let me do 5 minutes. And then, you know.

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Speaker 2

I know.

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Speaker 1

If they die. Okay, If they don't also. Yeah.

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Speaker 2

Okay. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1

Yes.

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Speaker 2

I have a problem staying awake, too. There's like.

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00;28;48;22 - 00;28;51;16

Speaker 1

There's that.

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00;28;51;16 - 00;28;53;19

Speaker 2

Is it just football? Are you a fan of other sport?

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Speaker 1

Well, I, I do love basketball and I'll say that. Okay. This is gonna make me sound like so sad. In 2001. Yeah, it was the Eagles. I mean, the Eagles. It was a Sixers Lakers. Okay. And the NBA Finals. Game one, you know, we won game one. We lost the rest of the games. And like, I remember that, you know, feeling so hopeful and happy.

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Speaker 1

And I remember hating Toronto Blue. I don't know if you remember that. I just look it up. I just remember that's back in the Iverson days that we lost. We lost and my heart was crushed. Everybody in Philly, you know, Philly fans are terrible but wonderful, right? And everybody in Philly was so sad. And I just said at that moment, I need to take a little bit of a break from from basketball.

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00;29;38;13 - 00;29;41;09

Speaker 1

But I can't do sadness and multiple sports.

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Speaker 2

Right, Right, right.

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Speaker 1

This is just really affecting my life. Yeah. So I took a break from basketball, so I watch basketball now. I've done the guest coaching for the air. You mentioned.

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00;29;50;24 - 00;29;51;17

Speaker 2

How it was.

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Speaker 1

Great and I was like, you know, let me not be Philly. It's all, you know, right now. So let me be, you know, DeMar Now, in this moment, let me not bring back 2001. Yeah. And, and so I still love basketball but not I don't watch it like I did back then because I just needed one sport to.

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00;30;08;23 - 00;30;11;16

Speaker 1

Yeah. Be sad about or Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2

Yes.

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00;30;11;27 - 00;30;12;15

Speaker 1

Too much going.

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00;30;12;29 - 00;30;15;08

Speaker 2

Really like takes a lot out of you.

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Speaker 1

Yes. Yes. That was a bad feeling. It was a bad feeling. You know.

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Speaker 2

I do want to hear a little bit more about how the guest coaching went with our basketball team was what did you get to do and how was that?

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00;30;26;26 - 00;30;48;15

Speaker 1

Yeah. So Duane Simkins is the the coach. He's really wonderful. And then Kristi Plungers, Oh, who is one of the assistant deans, came with me. So every time it's something athletics, I'm like, Let's go. Kristi We're doing. Yeah. So we got there. We got to watch them warm up on the court. We got to go into the locker room for the pre-game speech during halftime.

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00;30;48;15 - 00;31;03;25

Speaker 1

The post-game speech as well as like, get into every huddle. Yeah. So we were we were worn like, you know, we huddle a lot, you know, a lot of timeouts. You can go into any huddle. You want, you can sit and relax. Yeah. Kristi and I every huddle like y'all get. We're getting up to this like, Yeah, go team.

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Speaker 1

And then they even invited us to eat after I was like, we have to go. Like, we've been here for hours. We've got an after dinner outfit, have the office. Yeah. And we had the Athletics Hall of Fame dinner. Wow. With our honoring, you know, our new athletes inducted into the Hall of Fame. And so it was really wonderful.

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00;31;21;05 - 00;31;28;17

Speaker 1

So now I feel like I know them because I'm dreaming the crowd, and I'm like, okay, let's just condemn. Yeah, let's. You know.

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00;31;29;01 - 00;31;29;23

Speaker 2

I feel really used.

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00;31;29;24 - 00;31;35;07

Speaker 1

To the feelings of this guy. And and so but it was it was really quite fun this time.

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00;31;35;11 - 00;31;37;25

Speaker 2

I know he's on to pictures of and I was like, that looks like a good time.

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00;31;37;25 - 00;31;58;13

Speaker 1

It was it was courtside seats like you're right there with the team So fun. Yeah, they're the coaches. They are really inspirational. You know, they've got to, like, tell them not just, you know, fix what you're doing, but also to do it in a way where we'll be the players will be inspired. Yeah, I was yeah, I was very thrilled to be there.

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Speaker 2

One last question here to wrap it up just on our sports talk, do you have a favorite sports movie?

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Speaker 1

Well, okay, So, you know, Philly, I guess we've got to go Iraqi. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Does that tell you how old I am? Like the rocky steps. So Rocky one still.

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00;32;12;18 - 00;32;13;02

Speaker 2

Holds.

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Speaker 1

Our, you know, Rocky one through four. Yes, The new ones, you know, I know. Like Michael B Jordan is in. Yeah. Like everybody loves him. Yeah, but, you know.

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Speaker 2

They're.

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Speaker 1

The original. Yeah. Rocky, you a.

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Speaker 2

There's something to it.

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Speaker 1

There's something to it. Yeah. They're really, really. Yeah. Which is also why when another team who is in opposition of any Philly team. Yeah. They usually come to Philly and I'll put like their scarf or their hat or like the rocky statue in front of the art museum. And we know that if you do that, you're going to lose.

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Speaker 1

It's like the curse.

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Speaker 2

Really, on the pave.

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Speaker 1

Yes, yes, yes. So you got a joke about that. So anyway, if you have not seen Rocky, which you should have, you should watch them all. I do binge watch it. Yes, Yes. One, two, three and four. And then you can just, you know, take a pause and watch them all over again another week. That's awesome.

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Speaker 2

Well, thank you, Dean Martin. All this has been wonderful. Thank you for having. I hope everyone learned a fun factor, too. And we can't wait to see what you do at school.

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Speaker 1

Thank you. I'm so honored to be here and to be with you and the rest of the SLC faculty and staff and of course, the students.

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Speaker 2

Thank you so much. Look out for our next episode of In the Mix. If you'd like to donate to the School of Communication, go to giving dot American dot edu and we'll see you next time. That's a wrap.